tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post8980492139807720663..comments2024-01-26T00:50:50.752-08:00Comments on Entangled Minds: Three videosDean Radinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16131263574182645280noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-32182964506236041802008-03-09T14:49:00.000-07:002008-03-09T14:49:00.000-07:00But then,Ill be surprised if you allow this commen...<I>But then,Ill be surprised if you allow this comment!</I><BR/><BR/>I guess it doesn't take much to surprise you. The "Barnum Effect" is a confounding factor in general-purpose astrological readings. Everyone knows (or should know) that. The interesting thing about this test is that it was set up by Shermer, who, being a diehard skeptic, would presumably have taken such confounds into effect.<BR/><BR/>Is this a piece of a longer video, or edited in some way to make the outcome look better than it really was? I don't know. It looks plausibly real to me.Dean Radinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16131263574182645280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-34985321223758880242008-03-09T08:24:00.000-07:002008-03-09T08:24:00.000-07:00Ha!The movement of planets can give you bushy eyeb...Ha!The movement of planets can give you bushy eyebrows!Genius.I suspect that Shermer video has been cut no?<BR/>Derren Brown gives a good overview of astrology here:<BR/>http://mantecanaut.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/derren-browns-sunday-lesson/<BR/>But then,Ill be surprised if you allow this comment!Venchtablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16917842392697762208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-88637844733798314362008-02-24T13:01:00.000-08:002008-02-24T13:01:00.000-08:00I agree with Mare's comments. A more formal test w...I agree with Mare's comments. A more formal test would involve conditions excluding direct contact between the astrologer and the person being "read." However, this video still provides face validity that something interesting might be going on, definitely worthy of following up.Dean Radinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16131263574182645280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-77484534129865822632008-02-24T03:17:00.000-08:002008-02-24T03:17:00.000-08:00A bit latecoming comment but non-the-less...I foun...A bit latecoming comment but non-the-less...<BR/><BR/>I found the astrology video quite interesting. However, having the astrologer read the statements to the individuals lowers the credibility.<BR/>Instead, a separate interviewer should ask neutral questions around the predictions so as to retrieve the individuals own assesment on the particular prediction. E.g. asking about history of marriage and then compare the answer to the prediction. If the results persists with such a change in method, I would personnally have a shift from neutral to positive stance towards astrology.<BR/><BR/>Further, the swap "trick" that (in the end) gave a 90%-ish confirmation. To me, such a sharp increase in hit level is a signal about a problem. It indicates that some, more usual, psychological effect is acting out, not that the astrologer was more accurate with those two individuals.MaRehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11578097655766872884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-60091615400562368502008-02-17T15:30:00.000-08:002008-02-17T15:30:00.000-08:00It seems to me that it would be much easier for ex...It seems to me that it would be much easier for experienced meditators to get those 40 Hz brain waves going under almost any circumstances, than it would be for even the most gifted psychic who relies on intermittent, spontaneous bursts of gamma activity. <BR/><BR/>As for intention chocolate, I read some of the comments on the YouTube page and it left me wondering why people are having such difficulty with -- and hostility toward -- this concept. Five minutes of focused attention on a bottle of wine can alter its taste, and you don't have to be a monk to make that happen; it's something almost anyone can do at home.<BR/><BR/>... I think it was Gandhi who said, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."the observer effecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17308959513776319032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-48579243451941558372008-02-17T11:04:00.000-08:002008-02-17T11:04:00.000-08:00I haven't conducted experiments with such folks ma...I haven't conducted experiments with such folks mainly due to lack of funding, but also because psychics who can reliably perform at very high levels, and on demand under laboratory conditions, are exceedingly rare. Many more people report spontaneous psychic experiences, but re-evoking the conditions that spawn those spontaneous experiences in the lab is very difficult.Dean Radinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16131263574182645280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-60346418744834852152008-02-17T02:11:00.000-08:002008-02-17T02:11:00.000-08:00There's a lot of psychics wich demonstrated some p...There's a lot of psychics wich demonstrated some paranormal power like Harribance or Ingo Swann. <BR/><BR/>Dean, why don't you do some experiment with them or with the astrologer? It would be very nice a replication.Enfant Terriblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363106780909274692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-86086988465377790272008-02-16T17:08:00.000-08:002008-02-16T17:08:00.000-08:00I've been monitoring the stats about the Intention...I've been monitoring the stats about the Intentional Chocolate video I mentioned here (it's part of IONS' <I>One Minute Shift</I> video series). I'm pleased (and amazed actually) to see that after just 4 days online it has already been viewed 145,000 times, and has 28 "honors," which means it is one of the most discussed, viewed, favored, and highly rated videos on YouTube. There's just something about chocolate ...Dean Radinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16131263574182645280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-67862697374832395602008-02-16T15:30:00.000-08:002008-02-16T15:30:00.000-08:00The astrology video was extraordinary, and it made...The astrology video was extraordinary, and it made me wonder if this is an ESP effect because like most people here astrology is hard to take!<BR/><BR/>I guess a good experiment would be to take a group of people with the same astrological data and look for similarities.<BR/><BR/>Another thought, is that maybe believing in a method - such as astrology - may help to focus any Ψ-abilities.David Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06172248428321078417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-30970716928657415902008-02-16T09:41:00.000-08:002008-02-16T09:41:00.000-08:00Regarding the Shermer/astrology video, yeah, that ...Regarding the Shermer/astrology video, yeah, that was pretty amazing! Especially when unbeknownst to the two women or to the astrologer, Shermer switched the two readings and the accuracy went down! When switched back correctly, their readings were the most accurate! It really proved something significant was going on.<BR/><BR/>I do believe astrology is mainly a tool or prop for the astrologer's own intuition or psychic insight. But there does seem to be some validity to it, as Dean pointed out regarding the "Mars Effect." I've even been amazed by the accuracy of my own natal chart. I know this may sound really far out, but I get the sense that what we see "out there" - the stars, planets, space, etc. - is really just a projection of humanity's own collective consciousness - in reality, it's "in here" - in our minds/consciousness. So that is why there is a weird correlation between our personality traits and the stars.<BR/><BR/>I feel the same is true for any discovery. The further we peer out into space, the more archaeological finds we dig up, etc. - we'll just keep finding more and more, to no end - until we finally all wake up and realize we're the ones creating/projecting all this for our own experience and growth while we experiment in this 3D realm called Earth. Because our real nature is pure consciousness, and our raison d'etre is ever-expanding growth and evolution - just like our universe.<BR/><BR/>Hey Marcel, great to see you here! I've recently been enjoying catching up on your AfterlifeFM interviews. I'm a neighbor, just a few miles west of you in the LA area!lightseekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06735628202935418616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-86746877352537484962008-02-16T06:22:00.000-08:002008-02-16T06:22:00.000-08:00Was this Shermer's research published in some jour...Was this Shermer's research published in some journal? If not, we can say the skeptics used the file-drawer effect.Enfant Terriblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363106780909274692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-25329647686203323942008-02-16T01:18:00.000-08:002008-02-16T01:18:00.000-08:00book surgeon, no need to be surprised... There is...book surgeon, no need to be surprised... There is a legion of people who spring up and loudly proclaim that there is NO evidence of PSI without really knowing the issue one way or the other. I know this because I used to be one such person, and I never failed to make fun of my girlfriend for believing in PSI.<BR/><BR/>Keep in mind, however, that I was never a 'Skeptic' in the inaccurate meaning of that term. I just thought telepathy sounded very unlikely. I remember looking at the Ganzfeld and precognition experiments the first time around, and having my mind blown. How could this be? But the more I looked, the more obvious it became that there was something going on.<BR/><BR/>A 'skeptic' will never go so far. If you offer evidence contrary to their belief, they will cite 'noise' (whatever the heck that means). When you ask them to POINT out the flaws, you will get sarcastic comments (saying that the topic is 'woo woo' makes it go away, apparently).<BR/><BR/>In fact, I am constantly shocked by the incredibly dirty tactic employed by the 'skeptical' community. I am in particular reminded of Randi's supposed replication of Sheldrake's dog experiment that proved there was nothing there. Once Rupert pressed for data -- surprise, surprise, there was none, and besides, the experiment was 'informal.' <BR/><BR/>Even worse is Randi's claim that his team viewed the entire tape and that they found the dog responded to every person or car. He later had to admit that he has NOT, in fact, seen the tape.<BR/><BR/>And that's just what comes immediately to mind. There are so many such instances of what amounts to misinformation at best and dirty play at worst. It's just shocking to me to conceive that some people have no ethical compass whatsoever, whatever their beliefs are.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09777028358703555946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-49135877966561924432008-02-15T19:27:00.000-08:002008-02-15T19:27:00.000-08:00Personal boggle thresholds nonwithstanding, do a G...<I>Personal boggle thresholds nonwithstanding, do a Google on the work of Michel Gauquelin and the "Mars Effect." And then slowly read Rick Tarnas' monumental book, Cosmos and Psyche.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm aware of Guquelin's work and I will look for Tarnas's book. As I said in a prior post, I am persuaded by the evidence for Psi. My comment is more about the point where I start to feel cognitive dissonance. I don't reject the possibility. It just makes my head hurt processing it. <BR/><BR/>But that's okay, I like it.Tony Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17571012576192904440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-90408898090788632542008-02-15T19:02:00.000-08:002008-02-15T19:02:00.000-08:00On Michel Gauquelin research and Mars effect contr...On Michel Gauquelin research and Mars effect controversy with pseudoskeptics, see:<BR/>http://www.discord.org/~lippard/kammann.htmlJimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817742150756784876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-32299540164347372122008-02-15T18:55:00.000-08:002008-02-15T18:55:00.000-08:00... Mars influencing eyebrows and Mr Holmes partic...<I>... Mars influencing eyebrows and Mr Holmes particular gift just goes beyond my boggle threshold.</I><BR/><BR/>Personal boggle thresholds nonwithstanding, do a Google on the work of Michel Gauquelin and the "Mars Effect." And then slowly read Rick Tarnas' monumental book, <I>Cosmos and Psyche</I>.Dean Radinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16131263574182645280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-2666702474149344082008-02-15T18:20:00.000-08:002008-02-15T18:20:00.000-08:00The most amazing thing, I think, is Shermer publis...The most amazing thing, I think, is Shermer published the program. I don't think he's intellectually dishonest, I think he's just so shaded by the "New Age" junk he got in to as a child that he has the will to disbelieve.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10390515270411793376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-92084983226735403842008-02-15T15:34:00.000-08:002008-02-15T15:34:00.000-08:00"What this suggests is a closed-minded person who'..."What this suggests is a closed-minded person who's never bothered to investigate the data, heard someone like Shermer or James Randi say there's "no data", and parrots that opinion."<BR/><BR/>That's how I gauge whether people have studied parapsychological evidence in any depth. The well versed "skeptics" usually never mention Shermer or Randi; the people who have studied the evidence in detail mention the much more sophisticated "skeptics" like Ray Hyman.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07135023467552812824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-61983121798633360802008-02-15T15:27:00.000-08:002008-02-15T15:27:00.000-08:00marcel:I always wondered if tools like astrologica...marcel:<BR/><BR/>I always wondered if tools like astrological charts, palms and crystal balls actually function by distracting the conscious mind so that intuitive information could come through. I wonder if you (considering who you happen to be) could comment on that possibility. <BR/><BR/>To my further bewilderment, I researched a web site offering free, abbreviated Vedic readings. Much to my surprise, the reading was accurate. I suppose I should enter a bunch of false birth dates and compare the results. (That is, see if any of them match me, etc.) Frankly, I would be much happier to discover that my "distract the conscious mind" theory was correct. Mars influencing eyebrows and Mr Holmes particular gift just goes beyond my boggle threshold.Tony Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17571012576192904440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-87692404996799725662008-02-15T10:17:00.000-08:002008-02-15T10:17:00.000-08:00I thought the Shermer video was quite amusing. Ha...I thought the Shermer video was quite amusing. Have to hand it to Shermer, though, even though it made him look like an idiot he completed it.<BR/><BR/>First he had the comments from the convert to Skepticism. She sat there calmly and confidently reporting what she assumed was going on as if it were observable fact (actually, it didn't seem to correspond to what we were actually shown). Of course he <I>had</I> to be just doing standard "cold reading" techniques -- the alternative is unthinkable, that other people can do what she tried to do but she just wasn't competent. (Hmm... sounds like another Convert we both know, doesn't it?).<BR/><BR/>Then we proceeded to a test that was very badly designed to demonstrate any real predictive ability. What it was designed to show was what Shermer apparently was very confident was going to occur -- that the astrologer was going to present a series of Barnums.<BR/><BR/>It would take a very strong effect to actually show something that couldn't immediately be dismissed as a fluke at best, given his design. Unfortunately for Shermer a very strong effect is just what he got. Of course, all he could say about the results were that they were <I>interesting</I> -- certainly not that they produced positive evidence for astrology.Topher Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15558539031346968387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-89609027104862433862008-02-15T09:49:00.000-08:002008-02-15T09:49:00.000-08:00I saw Shermer's test with the astrologer in Sherme...I saw Shermer's test with the astrologer in Shermer's tv programm "Exploring the Unknown". Shermer didn't suppress the results, but if you saw the complete programm, you can see as that result isn't analysed in its implications. <BR/><BR/>Almost all of Shermer's tests in that programm get negative resuts; so, it seems logical to stress and examine in detail positive results (because they're the most interesting to explore the "unknown" or give credit to some paranormal claims)<BR/><BR/>When I saw that program, I confirmed that the pseudoskeptical mind isn't suitable to examine paranormal phenomena, even with positive results get by themselves.<BR/>It wasn't a surprise to me.Jimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817742150756784876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-70650685934754764552008-02-15T07:39:00.000-08:002008-02-15T07:39:00.000-08:00I stand corrected. The comments get worse as you ...I stand corrected. The comments get worse as you go down. They mostly degenerate into the expected kind of nonsense: psi research has no data, the PA should be kicked out of the AAAS, etc. <BR/><BR/>The "no data" thing always amazes me, especially since there is a mountain of good data. What this suggests is a closed-minded person who's never bothered to investigate the data, heard someone like Shermer or James Randi say there's "no data", and parrots that opinion.<BR/><BR/>Sad, but common. Again, sigh.Book Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619492768967118149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-62693509388560367722008-02-15T07:35:00.000-08:002008-02-15T07:35:00.000-08:00Just watched the other videos as well.I'm in the s...Just watched the other videos as well.<BR/><BR/>I'm in the same boat with Tony M. Astrology has always been the limit of how far out there my beliefs in psi would go. <BR/><BR/>After watching the Shermer video, I have to say I'm still a little hesitant to embrace astrology, though the results were statistically impressive.<BR/><BR/>I guess, I just can't understand how Mars' position at the time of someone's birth would lead to "bushy eyebrows." <BR/><BR/>In fact, the whole "bushy eyebrows" thing came up twice in the video. I have never thought about this as being some type of phenomenon.<BR/><BR/>A real experiment would be to gather 12 people from 12 different countries and cultures who all have the exact same birth date and time, and see how correct one Vedic astrological reading would be for them. Theoritically, one would expect to see a pretty even statistical outcome.<BR/><BR/>Gee... I wonder what a Vedic astrology reading for actor, John Holmes, would have sounded like?Marcel Cairohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07450579013338141210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-24569937344129458522008-02-15T07:30:00.000-08:002008-02-15T07:30:00.000-08:00Unfortunately, Dean, this ridiculous posting doesn...Unfortunately, Dean, this ridiculous posting doesn't appear to be satire. The author is serious, and the comments following appear to be about evenly split: the usual "there's never been any independent replication and Randi still has his million dollars" and "why are you trying to suppress open inquiry and limit study to what we already think we know?"<BR/><BR/>Sigh. I'd go in there with guns blazing if I hadn't finally learned what a complete waste of time it is to try to convince such utterly bereft, small and closed minds.Book Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619492768967118149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-19390358991634110172008-02-15T06:23:00.000-08:002008-02-15T06:23:00.000-08:00Sitting here in Pasadena, California, made watchin...Sitting here in Pasadena, California, made watching the remote viewing video particularly difficult. <BR/><BR/>From the very beginning of the video, I could see that the target location was "Peace Fountain" at St. John the Divine. <BR/><BR/>When I moved to New York in 1990, St. John the Divine was the first place I went to after getting off the bus from Texas. <BR/><BR/>St. John is the world's largest Gothic cathedral, larger than Notre Dame in Paris. Plus, it's location at the base of Harlem, and right around the corner from Columbia University have transformed the cathedral into an amazing cultural gathering place.<BR/><BR/>I used to go to midnight mass there on Christmas Eve, and one night I was joined by Bill and Hillary. St. Hohn's was also the place where the funeral ceremony was held for Jim Henson.<BR/><BR/>Inside the walls of the Cathedral you'll find some of the most amazing displays you'd ever expect to see in a place of worship. My favorite is the poet's corner.<BR/><BR/>The remote viewer also pointed out a red & white awning across the street. That place is also a holy shrine of the neighborhood, The Hungarian Pastry shop. There's no way for me to describe the ambiance of this place, nor the unbeleivabble taste of their home made croissants with apricot jam on a Sunday morning accompanied by a hot cup of coffee and a thick NY Times.<BR/><BR/>If you travel to New York City, please make an extra effort to visit St. John the Divine, Peace Fountain and the Hungarian Pastry Shop. Also, please tell them that I'm coming back one day.<BR/><BR/>God, I miss New York!Marcel Cairohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07450579013338141210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16158865.post-85286261126227128082008-02-15T03:59:00.000-08:002008-02-15T03:59:00.000-08:00To be charitable, I will assume that the opinion e...To be charitable, I will assume that the opinion expressed on Cosmic Variance is an attempt to bait someone into arguing about psi, because that's really the only reason you abruptly declare a whole field of study to be 'psuedoscience'.If you really didn't care about it or thought it was crap, you'd keep your mouth shut and thank your lucky stars you were smart enough to choose 'real' science.Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10725129923724750647noreply@blogger.com